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- "We Are Building a Property-Owning Democracy"
-
- June 22, 1987
-
- Serene and assured, Prime Minister Thatcher defends her record and
- speaks of the future
-
- After only four hours of sleep and a day spent thanking campaign
- workers and consulting with colleagues, Margaret Thatcher welcomed
- TIME London Bureau Chief Christopher Ogden and Reporter Frank
- Melville upstairs at No. 10 Downing Street to talk about her plans
- for a third term. Wearing a blue suit and her trademark double
- strand of pearls, she sat at a small table in an oak-paneled room.
- Behind her were congratulatory baskets of flowers. Excerpts from the
- interview:
-
- Q. How do you interpret the election?
-
- A. It means that the policies we were pursuing,which we put openly
- and frankly before the people, were thought to be right for Britain.
- They were policies which were a partnership between government and
- people--namely, we do the things which only governments can do,
- running the finances in a sound way, keeping inflation down, cutting
- controls and giving tax incentives. And we got the response in an
- increasing enterprise and competitiveness from the British people.
- And that produced a higher standard of living.
-
- Q. Why do people accuse you so bitterly of lacking compassion?
-
- A. Some people think that to be compassionate and caring you have to
- talk a lot about it. We've always taken the view that you should be
- judged by what you do and not by what you say, and we're prepared to
- be judged on that--any day of the week.
-
- Q. What are the most important accomplishments of your first eight
- years?
-
- A. First, we have reduced the fantastic number of controls that
- there were over the life of our society. The greatest driving force
- in life, which is individual energy and effort, was becoming really
- cocooned. Secondly, people do need incentives to encourage them to
- work harder, and if you take too much away in tax, then you will not
- get that driving incentive. Plus the trade union law. When we took
- over, it seemed as if the left-wing trade union leaders were more
- powerful than the government of the day. All of this has been
- replaced by different systems. We now know that the spirit of
- enterprise is there. The economy is doing well and catching up with
- our European competitors.
-
- Q. What are your plans for a third term?
-
- A. I will extend opportunities to people who never had them before.
- As you know, we are building a property-owning democracy. Far more
- people own their own homes now. We are nearly up to the United
- States--not yet quite--but now one in five of our people owns company
- shares. Far many more people have savings accounts. That's all
- extending opportunity ever more widely.
-
- Q. How far will you extend privatization?
-
- A. Some of our water has been supplied to people by private
- companies for years. The great amount of it is done under public
- authorities, and many of them tell us they would be able to run very
- much more efficiently if they were able to run their own operation.
- Also we shall then embark upon privatizing electricity, which you [in
- the U.S.] are used to. And then we'll have a look at other things
- and see how best we can bring them onto the market--always, I must
- say, giving the people who work in those enterprises the first chance
- to purchase shares at an advantageous price. Our policy is that
- every earner shall be an owner.
-
- Q. Is there increased anti-Americanism in this country at the
- moment?
-
- A. You will hear a good deal of it on the left wing of the Labor
- Party, but in almost every speech I give, I say this [Conservative]
- Party and these people are pro-American, and before I finish the
- sentence a round of applause breaks out. People are enormously
- appreciative of the generosity of the American people and of their
- fundamental love of liberty. I tend to regard the United States as
- Europe on the other side of the Atlantic, which of course is really
- very much what it is.
-
- Q. What's your sense of the Moscow-Washington relationship?
-
- A. I think we shall get the first agreement actually to reduce
- nuclear weapons. And we shall have gotten it by being very firm. As
- long as you are always firm in safeguarding your liberty and in
- defending it, then you do very tough negotiations, watching at each
- stage that everything you do is verifiable. You don't take anything
- on trust. The Soviet Union is a closed society and it's much bigger
- than the United States, so it would be much easier for them to
- conceal things.
-
- Q. Do you think Reagan and Gorbachev understand each other?
-
- A. I think it is easier for us to see a closed society than it s for
- those who live in a closed society to understand what an open
- society is all about. I don't think you always have to agree with
- the person you are negotiating with. What you need is a common
- interest. And it is a common interest between the free world and the
- unfree world that the two shall never come into warlike conflict.
-
- Q. Would you consider a fourth term?
-
- A. I can't see what is going to happen in four or five years' time.
- We've just won this election. We'll implement the policies that
- we've put forward in this election. And let's just see exactly where
- we get to.
-
- Q. When it comes time to write the definitive analysis of Margaret
- Thatcher, what would you like it to say?
-
- A. That we had the courage to tackle the things which other
- governments had run away from, and therefore transformed Britain from
- a declining country to one which could again be proud of her spirit
- of enterprise and proud as a reliable ally and an influential nation.
- In other words, to have restored the British character to its
- vitality.